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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:44 am 
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http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html ... h|huckabee


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:02 pm 
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That was an excellent clip, thank you.

Gov. Huckabee consistently steers clear from getting stuck on stupid, as they say. I'm not thrilled about the whole thing with the president's people covering up the religious symbols - but as Mike says, there are more important things to worry about.

He doesn't fall into the trap of condemning every move the president makes. That would make him (Mike) 'small,' and minimize his views.

I learn so much from his example.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:32 am 
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This just makes me more proud of the man I support as the next President!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:16 am 
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I am baffled about the people who insist that Obama is a closet Muslim - It has long been obvious to me that Obama is an atheist like his parents & his mentors. This whole issue reveals far more about Georgetown than it does our president and the personnel surrounding him...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:13 am 
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QuoVadisAnima wrote:
I am baffled about the people who insist that Obama is a closet Muslim - It has long been obvious to me that Obama is an atheist like his parents & his mentors. This whole issue reveals far more about Georgetown than it does our president and the personnel surrounding him...


Only God and Obama know his true core beliefs.

We only know of Obama's influences and associations -- like having a Communist mother, a socialist/Communist father, a Muslim step-father who had him trained in Muslim schools during the vulnerable elementary school years (where they are taught to hate Israel and America and try to destroy them), a Communist mentor in Hawaii. We know that he has surrounded himself with Muslims, as in the friendships he had at high school, the two Muslim roommates in college, the people whose radical instruction he chose to hear. These facts would usually be enough for us to conclude he would not be the fabric from which we should cut out an American President. (Leaders of Muslims, Communists, as well as Nazi college professors often tell their followers to hate America and try to destroy it) But we live in strange times.

We also know that in his adult life, Obama chose to blur the lines of his faith; it would seem reasonable to believe it is for political purposes that he adopted a quasi-Christian persona, associating himself with a "Christian" church whose pastor was Jeremiah Wright, the liberation (socialist) theologist. To advance politically in America, a Christian nation in many respects, it was also necessary for Obama to become associated with a popular preacher, Rick Warren, during his presidential campaign.

While Obama now has an association with the Saddleback church, and while President Obama did take his oath of office on Lincoln's Bible, this has not made him a Christian. We have no way to know what is in the heart of this man. He is too carefully crafted by those who want to advance socialism in our country, so while he perhaps carries a hidden Muslim or Communist agenda, he has Hollywood and the major media in his pocket. His boyish, calm appearance make it seem incongruous that he might have evil intent for America, though action after action he has taken in the first 80 days of his presidency indicate a man more interested in the globe than the country of (questionably) his birth and allegiance.

Obama's story and background involve purposeful evasion of fact. Only someone quite suspect would be ashamed to show his original birth certificate and spend a million dollars on lawyers to prevent it. It is reasonable for the American people to have proof of identity in our President. It is Constitutional, too.

Obama can as easily speak about a relationship with Jesus as he can bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. He is a confusing, complex man. There are enough mysteries to keep all but the blindly infatuated followers (of whom there are many) from trusting his motives, methods, and smooth words.

He may be an enigma, but Obama's policies are destroying America. Look at the fruit, or results. Watch the actions he takes in the next days. He may have gotten into office on false pretenses, illegal contributions, and golden promises, but as we examine what he does, we will see it is inconsistent with the beliefs of Christianity, such as reverence for life and traditional marriage. When he kisses up to Communist or radical Muslim leaders or tries to destroy our country with burdensome taxes, we will know. Yes, he may be an atheist at core. But he is a complex personality who is the sum result of his background and training. He has never rejected his extremist connections or backgound, nor has he claimed to set them aside in a "conversion" experience.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." (Matthew 7:15-18 NKJV)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:34 am 
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chapelccino wrote:
That was an excellent clip, thank you.

Gov. Huckabee consistently steers clear from getting stuck on stupid, as they say. I'm not thrilled about the whole thing with the president's people covering up the religious symbols - but as Mike says, there are more important things to worry about.

He doesn't fall into the trap of condemning every move the president makes. That would make him (Mike) 'small,' and minimize his views.

I learn so much from his example.

You know, I wish Sean Hannity would take some lessons from Gov. Huckabee. I think Sean could be a strong voice for conservatives if he didn't try to make every move of Obama's a political issue. :roll:


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You know, I wish Sean Hannity would take some lessons from Gov. Huckabee. I think Sean could be a strong voice for conservatives if he didn't try to make every move of Obama's a political issue. :roll:


So true.


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You will know them by their fruits.

justgrace, that is exactly the verse that I had in mind when I stated my belief that Obama is an atheist (like all good socialists). As I see it, he uses religion when it is convenient, but his actions indicate that he believes only in himself.

That he went to a socialist "Christian" church simply confirms that assessment in my eyes. I would certainly agree with you that his intentions are enigmatic, however. I suspect that his vision for America looks much like that of Chavez in Venezuela...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:56 pm 
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chapelccino wrote:
That was an excellent clip, thank you.

Gov. Huckabee consistently steers clear from getting stuck on stupid, as they say. I'm not thrilled about the whole thing with the president's people covering up the religious symbols - but as Mike says, there are more important things to worry about.

He doesn't fall into the trap of condemning every move the president makes. That would make him (Mike) 'small,' and minimize his views.

I learn so much from his example.

You know, I wish Sean Hannity would take some lessons from Gov. Huckabee. I think Sean could be a strong voice for conservatives if he didn't try to make every move of Obama's a political issue. :roll:


My thoughts exactly. If someone criticizes a political opponent indiscriminately it gives the impression that he just likes to hear himself speak. If someone is careful in his criticism, then people listening will know that what he says has substance--even if they don't agree.

On the point about Obama and his religion--thank you justgrace for your thoughtful post. I have always been puzzled and more than a little wary because Obama has sat at the feet of Moslem teachers. He has obviously studied the Koran and therefore knows that anyone who seriously holds to those beliefs may be a terrorist threat. To say that our vets are possible threats and not those who have been brought up learning the Koran makes no sense--unless?? I'm not sure. Barack Obama is an enigma which is not something I want in my President.


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maryjthom,

What Muslims did Obama sit at the feet of? I was of the understanding that all his mentors were socialists. I know his stepfather sent him to Muslim school & that he had some Muslim friends - lending towards his sympathy for those of that faith - but am unaware of anything that would indicate their teaching "took". Did he have other exposures besides these?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:41 am 
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justgrace wrote:
QuoVadisAnima wrote:
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." (Matthew 7:15-18 NKJV)


Excellent scripture to reference Obama! Here are a couple more:
The LORD says: "These people come near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."
Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, "Who sees us? Who will know?" (Isaiah 29:13,15)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:42 am 
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maryjthom,

What Muslims did Obama sit at the feet of? I was of the understanding that all his mentors were socialists. I know his stepfather sent him to Muslim school & that he had some Muslim friends - lending towards his sympathy for those of that faith - but am unaware of anything that would indicate their teaching "took". Did he have other exposures besides these?


Maybe "sit at the feet of Moslem teachers" is a little too strong a phrase, but my point is that if he went to Muslim schools he must know the teachings of the Koran better than most Americans. One of our Bible classes was led by a man who called himself "Jacob". (He couldn't give us his real name.) He is a Christian who had been a Moslem and escaped from Iraq. He showed us direct quotes from the Koran which demonstrated unmistakably that if you hold to those beliefs you will hate and try to destroy "the infidel" (that's us).

Barack Obama may not believe these things, but if he went to a Muslim school he must know that anyone who truly holds to the teachings of the Koran is a far greater terrorist threat to our country than our returning vets.


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maryjthom wrote:
QuoVadisAnima wrote:
maryjthom,

What Muslims did Obama sit at the feet of? I was of the understanding that all his mentors were socialists. I know his stepfather sent him to Muslim school & that he had some Muslim friends - lending towards his sympathy for those of that faith - but am unaware of anything that would indicate their teaching "took". Did he have other exposures besides these?


Maybe "sit at the feet of Moslem teachers" is a little too strong a phrase, but my point is that if he went to Muslim schools he must know the teachings of the Koran better than most Americans. One of our Bible classes was led by a man who called himself "Jacob". (He couldn't give us his real name.) He is a Christian who had been a Moslem and escaped from Iraq. He showed us direct quotes from the Koran which demonstrated unmistakably that if you hold to those beliefs you will hate and try to destroy "the infidel" (that's us).

Barack Obama may not believe these things, but if he went to a Muslim school he must know that anyone who truly holds to the teachings of the Koran is a far greater terrorist threat to our country than our returning vets.


This last comment reminded me of an email I received from my former Muslim friend, so I think the things it says are accurate. I think perhaps it should be posted on a separate thread. But she has often said that in her old country and religion, she would just has soon killed an American baby if required to babysit him as to take care of him. And she would feel no conscience, only pride that she had furthered their "jihad" or holy war. I praise God she is much changed now.

But this is the entity we are dealing with when people have been raised in a "religious" or radical Muslim background. They will have at least the "jihad" teaching and influence. Again, we do not know how strong or radical was the teaching Obama (Barry Soetero, then) received.

I must say that I believe in loving the person of all backgrounds to Christ. That would be my goal, as well as many Christians. We would rather they became believers in Christ than follow Mohammed's hateful religion (at least hateful toward us "infidels").

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I realize that the jihadist message is out there & that he likely was exposed to it - I just don't get why people believe that Obama has closetly embraced it. As far as I can tell, he grew up in an atmosphere that treated all religion pretty equally - dismissively.

Muslims are convenient for keeping Christians in check & vice-versa, that's all. Playing one group against another keeps them weak so that your group can be strong. That's pretty much what O's African cousin did in Kenya (while O willingly aided & abetted).

I thought I had read that O went to Catholic school for a time as well; no one's accusing him of being a closet Catholic (ok, well, I admit that I haven't checked with Jack Chick). Accusing him of being a closet Muslim just makes people look irrationally paranoid. Why? Not because it's a ridiculous idea & it is certainly possible, but because all of his actions have been completely consistent with atheistic socialism. By his fruit, we can know him.

When he delivered that ponderous line, "We are the change we seek", it was not just the royal, but the divine 'we' - be sure of it! :wink:


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Please leave Mr Chick out of "closet Catholics". He bashes us, and not promoting us.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:47 pm 
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I'm sorry - I should have made my sarcastic quip more discernible. Jack Chick is rabidly, irrationally anti-Catholic & blames the Church for pretty much everything that has ever gone wrong in the world from fascism to socialism. So I was joking that it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Chick blames the Obamanation on some closet connection to the Catholic Church.


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