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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:41 am 
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My parents are born and raised in OK and love the governor there! Hope more state legislatures (Republican and those Democrat controlled) will allow their governors to do the same. It’s a good start… :pray

Oklahoma 4th state to ban abortions after 20 weeks

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OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) – Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin on Wednesday signed into law a prohibition on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy, making it the fourth state to ban such late term abortions.

She also signed a law preventing health insurers from covering elective abortions.

Fallin, a Republican serving her first term, said both laws are important measures that safeguard life.

“Together, these two pieces of legislation will expand protections for unborn children and ensure that Oklahomans are not forced to unknowingly or unwillingly help to pay for procedures that run contrary to their values,” she said.

Barbara Santee, former executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice America’s Oklahoma office, called the two laws “a frontal assault” on the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

“This is just chipping away at a woman’s right to choose,” she said.

The law prohibiting abortion after 20 weeks is based on the belief that a fetus can feel pain at that point. Nebraska passed such a law last year, and Idaho and Kansas did so this year. About a dozen other states are considering similar measures.

The Oklahoma law allows abortions when the mother’s life is at risk or she faces serious risk of substantial physical harm.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/ ... WP20110421

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I guess this is progress, but I still find it unthinkable that anyone could think about aborting their baby even at "only" 20 weeks. I mean, my wife and I had been feeling our baby (due in July) moving and kicking for over a month before that. Abortion at any time is a travesty, but how any parent can actually feel their baby living and moving and still kill it is beyond me.


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10 weeks was always my threshold for a compromise I could stomach...........


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10 weeks was always my threshold for a compromise I could stomach...........
why 10 weeks?


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nothing scientific.....playing devil's advocate for pro-choicers, I'm just trying to keep the age of fetus down while allowing a reasonable amount of time for a woman to become aware of her unwanted pregnancy and act on it.


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My parents are born and raise in OK and love the governor there! Hope more state legislatures (Republican and those Democrat controlled) will allow their governors to do the same. It’s a good start… :pray

Oklahoma 4th state to ban abortions after 20 weeks

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OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) – Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin on Wednesday signed into law a prohibition on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy, making it the fourth state to ban such late term abortions.

She also signed a law preventing health insurers from covering elective abortions.

Fallin, a Republican serving her first term, said both laws are important measures that safeguard life.

“Together, these two pieces of legislation will expand protections for unborn children and ensure that Oklahomans are not forced to unknowingly or unwillingly help to pay for procedures that run contrary to their values,” she said.

Barbara Santee, former executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice America’s Oklahoma office, called the two laws “a frontal assault” on the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

“This is just chipping away at a woman’s right to choose,” she said.

The law prohibiting abortion after 20 weeks is based on the belief that a fetus can feel pain at that point. Nebraska passed such a law last year, and Idaho and Kansas did so this year. About a dozen other states are considering similar measures.

The Oklahoma law allows abortions when the mother’s life is at risk or she faces serious risk of substantial physical harm.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/ ... WP20110421



Notice Kansas, too. Today it was a thrill for me to visit the statehouse in session and hear the prolife bills announced as law, which Governor Sam Brownback signed into law a couple weeks ago. The fetal pain, and the parental consent bills have become law. We are blessed with a conservative Republican majority in Kansas, as well as a prolife governor. Gone is Kathleen Sibelius, although now she is doing her damage as Obama's health czar. I was invited to participate on a prayer team, and we sat in several sessions, as well as walked around the capitol, praying. The prayer team is something that Brownback has requested, for he feels prayer is a necessary part of making good legislative decisions. I spent several hours with three other women from our area, praying. We got to visit with two of our area representatives, and they were very gracious.

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I am always delighted to see any measures put into law that will protect unborn life to a greater degree than had been the case before. So although this law is not perfect, I'm really glad that they're at least making it harder to kill unborn babies through abortion. Frankly, I've often wondered if there are enough pro-life states around to give the Human Life Amendment a chance.

On the fetal pain argument, while I agree that it is particularly unconscionable to kill an unborn baby that can feel the pain of the abortion, this argument itself brings up a larger question. If it's only wrong to kill an unborn baby when the unborn baby can feel pain, why wouldn't the same logic be used for already-born people? Would anyone argue that if somebody murders an already-born person and does so in a way that does not cause that person physical pain that the murderer should be sentenced less harshly than someone who kills somoene in a painful manner?

For example, is the nurse who intentionally poisons a patient to death less guilty of murder than the robber who shoots and kills a different victim on the street? Aren't they both guilty of the same thing even though the two victims experienced different degrees of pain? Aren't they both victims of murder?

Despite the fact that the legislation is not as wide sweeping as it should be and we should never settle or be satisfied until all life is protected at every stage, I'm happy any time any law is enacted anywhere that makes it less possible to victimize the unborn. I hope more states take similar measures and eventually these become more comprehensive.

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I am always delighted to see any measures put into law that will protect unborn life to a greater degree than had been the case before. So although this law is not perfect, I'm really glad that they're at least making it harder to kill unborn babies through abortion. Frankly, I've often wondered if there are enough pro-life states around to give the Human Life Amendment a chance.

On the fetal pain argument, while I agree that it is particularly unconscionable to kill an unborn baby that can feel the pain of the abortion, this argument itself brings up a larger question. If it's only wrong to kill an unborn baby when the unborn baby can feel pain, why wouldn't the same logic be used for already-born people? Would anyone argue that if somebody murders an already-born person and does so in a way that does not cause that person physical pain that the murderer should be sentenced less harshly than someone who kills somoene in a painful manner?

For example, is the nurse who intentionally poisons a patient to death less guilty of murder than the robber who shoots and kills a different victim on the street? Aren't they both guilty of the same thing even though the two victims experienced different degrees of pain? Aren't they both victims of murder?

Despite the fact that the legislation is not as wide sweeping as it should be and we should never settle or be satisfied until all life is protected at every stage, I'm happy any time any law is enacted anywhere that makes it less possible to victimize the unborn. I hope more states take similar measures and eventually these become more comprehensive.


I agree completely, TVV. When I was a nurse in training, we were always taught that we had two patients if a woman was pregnant. The fetal pain law is a halfway measure. All it does it limit a few abortions that would have taken place. On another level, I think it is forcing legislators to think of babies as human. Perhaps the more liberal ones will begin to make the connection with the fact that a criminal can be charged with two murders if he kills a pregnant mother. It grieves me deeply every time I think of a baby (fetus) of any age being aborted. I think a baby younger that 20 weeks must also feel pain acutely; after all, every cell is newer and functions more efficiently. Another reason abortion is so sad is because life is sacred, and taking it is an affront to the creative will of God.

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The most interesting thing about all this is that the pro-choice people aren't jumping to challenge these new laws. They're on the defensive now. I've heard that there is some fear in that camp that a challenge could end up reversing Roe V Wade. We might be losing the battle on traditional marriage but we're winning the battle on abortion.

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The most interesting thing about all this is that the pro-choice people aren't jumping to challenge these new laws. They're on the defensive now. I've heard that there is some fear in that camp that a challenge could end up reversing Roe V Wade. We might be losing the battle on traditional marriage but we're winning the battle on abortion.


Totally agree! You can sort of hear a sense of resignation in the statements from NARAL and Planned Parenthood people as they discuss these decisions. It's getting harder and harder for them to win the argument for convincing people that it's a piece of toast that's going to pop out in nine months.

"Everybody that is for abortion has already been born" - Ronald Reagan

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Totally agree! You can sort of hear a sense of resignation in the statements from NARAL and Planned Parenthood people as they discuss these decisions. It's getting harder and harder for them to win the argument for convincing people that it's a piece of toast that's going to pop out in nine months.

"Everybody that is for abortion has already been born" - Ronald Reagan

I'm sorry but I sort of had to laugh at the "piece of toast" comment. It's not really a laughing matter but that is how ludicrous their arguments for abortion are.

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