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I guess it's Herman Cain for me now. I hope he get's Huck's endorsement.


Herman Cain???? You've got to be joking right. If he ends up as the Republican nominee, I will tell you now I will vote for Obama.

Huh? You really must despise Herman Cain. I'd rather open the phone book put my finger down on the page and vote for whomever than Obama.

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Huckabee correctly estimated Obama had the better chance of winning re-election based on all the polls and historical precedent.

Obama is easily beatable. The lustre has worn off, for all that glitters is not gold. Sometimes its something like shinola.

2012 will be a referendum. If Obama is re-elected that just proves America is over, because it proves the stupidity of the electorate.
All hangs on the economy (and foreign wars). Lyndon Johnson broke precedent in 1968, as did Ford in 1976, and Bush-41 in 1992.

The question is whether a majority of thinking voters will show up in 2012 --as they did in 2010, or whether a majority of highly-emotional/highly-ignorant voters will show up as they did in 2008.

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Also, why the early endorsement for Haridopolos for Senate?
Haridopolos gave Huckabee an early endorsement in 2008.

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ValuesVoter,

I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure comparing Republicans-who-aren't-Huckabee to Nixon is fair.

First of all, back then the Democrat party was probably the more pro-life party of the two. As Richard John Neuhaus said (in other words), in the '60s if you'd have told him the GOP would become the party for unborn rights and the Democrats the party of death, he'd of told you you were crazy.

Since pro-life became a plank of the party we've had some bad nominees, but those are more the exception. One way to ensure muddle-headed judges is to let the Democrats win.

I'm watching Huckabee on Hannity now and he's talking about working hard to get 60 R's in the senate, get more R's in Gov Mansions, get an R in the WH: in fact re. the GOP presidential field he said, "Any one of them would be better than Barack Obama." He's absolutely right.

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I have a feeling that God has something more important for him in the future. I don't know what that could possibly be, but an event like this has to make one wonder.


Beck's time slot on Fox. :wink:

I think that is a high possibility (if Huck didn't run). I have thought it ever since I heard Beck was leaving.

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Dare I say...what about supporting Ron Paul?

Besides any problems on the issues (and possible racially insensitive background) -- the cold hard facts are he is too old, and too shrill. But, I think he adds to the the debate.

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I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure comparing Republicans-who-aren't-Huckabee to Nixon is fair.

First of all, back then the Democrat party was probably the more pro-life party of the two. As Richard John Neuhaus said (in other words), in the '60s if you'd have told him the GOP would become the party for unborn rights and the Democrats the party of death, he'd of told you you were crazy.

Since pro-life became a plank of the party we've had some bad nominees, but those are more the exception. One way to ensure muddle-headed judges is to let the Democrats win.

I'm watching Huckabee on Hannity now and he's talking about working hard to get 60 R's in the senate, get more R's in Gov Mansions, get an R in the WH: in fact re. the GOP presidential field he said, "Any one of them would be better than Barack Obama." He's absolutely right.

Excellent points. Before Reagan, cultural conservtives were a minority in the Republican party. The Republican party was something like an extenstion of the Business Roundtable in the east, and Rotary clubs in the midwest.

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Huh? You really must despise Herman Cain. I'd rather open the phone book put my finger down on the page and vote for whomever than Obama.

:floor That's exactly how I feel!!!

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GAVoter4Huck wrote:
...I will tell you now I will vote for Obama.
Besides, those who vote for Obama in 2012 are committed leftists, or (proving the English proverb) fools.

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" -- English proverb, and ready-made 2012 campaign slogan.

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I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure comparing Republicans-who-aren't-Huckabee to Nixon is fair.


Good point - and that wasn't really what I was trying to do (I warned I was thinking out loud :) ).

I guess my point is that sometimes, picking a guy who doesn't have true convictions and firm character (like Nixon in my opinion) but who is viewed to be better than the other guy (like Humphrey) doesn't work out well. Sometimes, the end result is no better, and, as someone else pointed out, bad things can also happen when political parties learn that people are willing to settle.

Anyway, as I said earlier, I hope everyone follows their own convictions and I hope that there is somebody out there that I can vote for in 2012.

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TVV, there are many things I have thought of saying, but just don't have the energy left for it tonite. As I prepare to shut things down over here, though, I can't help but thinking that Jesus died on the cross between two thieves (my dad would say that's just a synonym for politicians! :lol: ) - and the lesser of the two evils went with Him to paradise that day.

And also that God tells us that He can bring good out of even the greatest evil but 'woe to those by whom it comes'. We cannot enable evil either by commission, like Judas who willingly & actively betrayed Him; nor by omission, like Pilate who washed his hands of the unsavory decision that was placed before him & thereby permitted the death of the innocent by not doing what he could to stop it.



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TVV, there are many things I have thought of saying, but just don't have the energy left for it tonite. As I prepare to shut things down over here, though, I can't help but thinking that Jesus died on the cross between two thieves (my dad would say that's just a synonym for politicians! :lol: ) - and the lesser of the two evils went with Him to paradise that day.

And also that God tells us that He can bring good out of even the greatest evil but 'woe to those by whom it comes'. We cannot enable evil either by commission, like Judas who willingly & actively betrayed Him; nor by omission, like Pilate who washed his hands of the unsavory decision that was placed before him & thereby permitted the death of the innocent by not doing what he could to stop it.

I think it comes back to whether voting in America is about "saying something", or about "doing something". The benefit of voting for Huckabee, and Reagan is one could actually do both.

Ron Paul might be a good illustration. Paulites belive in Ron Paul, and they hold out hope against hope that he could win. I think they are deluded on the second count. And, I suppose people could say that about us, too. But, I don't think the Huckabee campiagn was anything like the Ron Paul Quixotic adventure. And, I think that is a good point of comparison. I support Huckabee firstly because I agree with him. But, I wouldn't support him if I didn't think he could win.

Put another way, if I were certain he would lose I wouldn't support him. So, the point is since governing politics is about doing something, then electoral politics should also be about doing something. A lot of people in the Republican party are looking for the next Reagan. And, I fear that many Huck supporters fell a little too hard into the Huckabee cult of personality. I know I did. He is politically charming. But again, we are in a 230+ year experiment in self-government, and political icons come and go. But, the resposibility of the citizenry remains.

I voted for George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush and John McCain, not because I was particularly inspired by them as great leaders. But, because I thought they would support and defend the Constitution of the United States (even if imperfectly) and more or less respect the genius of the American economy. I also felt they would hold at bay the growth of the welfare state, and the federal bureaucracy. (I voted for Reagan and Huckabee because they were great leaders, as well as the other reasons I voted for the others just mentioned. And, because they were/are great leaders, I expected more than what I expected from the others. But, what I expected from the others was enough to vote for them.)

I think the whole positing of "a choice between two evils" is either a myth, or a redundancy. If a redundancy, that is because the Bible tells us all men are evil. Therefore, voting for Huckabee is voting for an evil man, because he is a sinner like all of us. But I think its more proper to think of it as a myth. At least, as things currently are.

Its no accident that the Republican party is called by many "the stupid party". But, its also no accident that the Democrat party is called "the evil party". Now, this last description of the Democrats is missleading for my purpose here. I would prefer to describe the Republicans as uncoordinated caretakers of the Constitution, country and economy. I would describe the Democrats as a public menace.

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I would just like to support a party of the People and supporting GMH was a way that I felt that I could have a vote that was almost Anti-GOP Establishment. I guess I now feel like my other options are Ron Paul for now. I am not a rebel in the sense, but I really do not like the dictating power the Old-guard has with the Party. Huckabee was a great candidate and did not seem beholden to the establishment and I am still shocked especially in the "Tea-Party" climate that the Lord would not want him to run. It only means for me that there is another out there or that we are to go the way of other great civilizations and look up for our redemption is near.



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JayinCA: Amen!! Very well said!


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I don't have much to say. But some how this verse comes to mind.

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16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”


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I don't have much to say. But some how this verse comes to mind.

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16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Is this meant to be helpful to those questioning your true colors and identity here?

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I don't have much to say. But some how this verse comes to mind.

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16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”


And your quote brought to mind these verses from Romans 14:

"Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat."

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I will sing praise to my God as long as I live.
3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.

4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
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ArkansasJohn wrote:
I don't have much to say. But some how this verse comes to mind.

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Matthew 19:16-23
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”


And your quote brought to mind these verses from Romans 14:

"Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat."


And this verse:

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