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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:44 pm 
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Miserere wrote:
They need to stop the frivolous "this or that" questions, too. I don't care whether Pawlenty likes coke or pepsi.


I'm behind on the debate. Don't spoil this question for me! The suspense is killing me whether Pawlenty likes Coke or Pepsi!! :lol:

Stupid questions. :wall-yellow

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Huckabeliever wrote:
Miserere wrote:
They need to stop the frivolous "this or that" questions, too. I don't care whether Pawlenty likes coke or pepsi.


I'm behind on the debate. Don't spoil this question for me! The suspense is killing me whether Pawlenty likes Coke or Pepsi!! :lol:

Stupid questions. :wall-yellow


Seriously! What a waste of time! :roll:


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I want give anything away, but here is my take:

Pawlenty did well as I'd hoped, but did not stand out. I still think he is underestimated.
Romney did well, handled himself well speaks of experience on campaign trail.
Paul-did better than I expected
Bachman-did better than I expected, good responses
Santorum-did very well
Cain did good too
Gingrich did better than I thought, very thoughtful

Bottom line, all of them are better than Obama

Oh, and this debate is pretty much non consequential in the long run. Sorry.



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USA#1 wrote:
I want give anything away, but here is my take:

Pawlenty did well as I'd hoped, but did not stand out. I still think he is underestimated.
Romney did well, handled himself well speaks of experience on campaign trail.
Paul-did better than I expected
Bachman-did better than I expected, good responses
Santorum-did very well
Cain did good too
Gingrich did better than I thought, very thoughtful

Bottom line, all of them are better than Obama

Oh, and this debate is pretty much non consequential in the long run. Sorry.


Concur on all points except Cain: don't think he did very well.

I'll quote again from NRO; this is from Daniel Foster,

"I get the feeling this will be the popular takeaway, but I think Bachmann was the biggest surprise of the night and Cain the biggest disappointment.
Santorum and Romney had solid debates. Ron Paul was Ron Paul (bonus points for making a joke about the Fed at the end). Pawlenty was average to poor. No lasting damage, but he’ll need to do better."

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Im sorry I got to say this, It seems to me Ron Paul's movement is shaping the republican party way more then many see. Many starting to sound like Ron Paul, 2008 was totally different. He was laughed at for his ideas, yet I hear Many Many Ron Paul taking points in this debate, in the media, and in the people. I understand the idea's are not something Paul created, But Paul coming out and standing up for what he believes HAS changed this party. Without Ron in 2008 things would be alot different.

I give his movement a thumbs up and would be nice for Huckabee to have him on his show more often.


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My take:

"Winner" - Romney [sad but true] - he was relaxed, gave fairly straight answers, made no real mistakes, and was far less robotic than usual (repeating word for word the same mantra only once).

"Loser" - Cain - he was never able to give an answer with policy detail of any kind. He floundered badly on the Moslems in his administration question and generally showed that he is not too familiar with the game he is now in.

"Most Gained" - Santorum - he gave excellent informed answers not just "process" replies, was true to all his beliefs, and there was no trace of the arrogant brashness that is his big weakness. He looked more like he should be there on the stage at the end than at the start.

"Most Lost" - actually for me Bachmann - while she had good moments, she seemed one of the few candidates ever knocked off her game (which seemed to be the main objective of John King throughout with al the candidates; that and starting a fight between them) by the Gay marriage question and others. She seemed less like she belonged on the stage at the end than when they started.

"Best Single Answer" - Newt attacking the "fight baiting" false dichotomy premise of John King's question on Immigration reform.

"Runner-up" - T-Paw on faith in the public square quoting from MN State Constitution.

"Worst Single Answer" - Cain on explaining he didn't mean to say he was against having a Moslem in his administration, just one of the terrorist bad kind (which by implication is therefore the default association in his mind when it comes to all Moslems - even if one shares such a "prejudice" you don't blurt it out as your defense).

"Runner-up" - T-Paw explaining that when he called it "Obamrey Care" he was just translating the President's own argument.

"Most Ironic Answer" - Newt invoking the virtue of "loyalty."

"Most Authentic Feeling tonight" - Santorum

"Least Authentic Feeling tonight" - Romney (though he faked it well)

"Most Comfortable in his/her own skin tonight [least nerves]" - Paul

"Least Comfortable in his/her own skin tonight [most nerves]" - Bachmann

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Pawlenty just chickened out on his chance to slam Romneycare.


I agree. Pawlenty didn't look like he "manned up" on this issue. It would have been just fine if he had never thrown out the term "Obamnycare" and it would have been just fine if he had said it and then proceeded to repeat it tonight. It didn't look good to pick the fight and then walk away from it on live TV.

I know that Huck is not currently in the race and we're all trying to get a feel for the other candidates. But knowing Huck and how strong a presence he is, does anyone else feel like we've gotten used to salivating over the idea of having a lunch of Filet Mignon (Huck) and are now forced to choose for our lunch the best of the Spam sandwiches (other candidates) that are available on the current menu?

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I know that Huck is not currently in the race and we're all trying to get a feel for the other candidates. But knowing Huck and how strong a presence he is, does anyone else feel like we've gotten used to salivating over the idea of having a lunch of Filet Mignon (Huck) and are now forced to choose for our lunch the best of the Spam sandwiches (other candidates) that are available on the current menu?


YES!!!!

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I really like Santorum. I liked all of his answers.

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Huckabeliever wrote:
Why did CNN not have any lights to keep them on a time schedule (1 minute, 30 seconds, etc)? Lights are way cooler than John King's grunting after every word.

Do you thing he will grunt at Obama in the General Election Debates? :wink:

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beezwax wrote:
Huckabeliever wrote:
Why did CNN not have any lights to keep them on a time schedule (1 minute, 30 seconds, etc)? Lights are way cooler than John King's grunting after every word.

Do you thing he will grunt at Obama in the General Election Debates? :wink:


Only in a rutting sort of way. :wink:

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Looking at the opinions across the MSM, the consensus seems to be that Romney and Bachmann were the big winners tonight. Bachmann is receiving strong marks from almost all the commentaries I've read. Many are putting Cain in the loser column tonight, stumbling on his Muslim answer. I thought Bachmann had a strong night. She came across as well informed, articulate, and not a "mean Republican". I also liked Santorum. For me, Bachmann, Santorum, and Pawlenty are at least on the same page as me on the important issues. I'll be interested to see how things develop in the coming months.



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In an SNL skit mocking these debates, it would be easiest to write the script for Cain. No matter what he's asked, SNL-Cain would just say some version of, "Step one, you get the experts around you. Step two, you listen to those experts."

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Miserere wrote:
In an SNL skit mocking these debates, it would be easiest to write the script for Cain. No matter what he's asked, SNL-Cain would just say some version of, "Step one, you get the experts around you. Step two, you listen to those experts."

The problem is. He is right. That is how businesses succeed.

You don't hire a ditch digger to write a health care bill. :wall

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What happened to all of the God questions? scratch

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In fact, I like this game of imagining the SNL skit of this debate; here's my take on the other candidates:

SNL-Romney's thing could be misstating something so that it means something awful. Tonight he accidentally said he wanted the military to exit when it was safe to hand things over to the Taliban, and then remember a month ago when he accidentally said something about Obama being hung.

SNL-Bachmann could make all kinds of dramatic announcements about ridiculous/irrelevant things. That would just be based upon the fact that tonight she announced her candidacy, and then announced (and she used that word :lol: ) that Obama would be losing no matter what.

SNL-Santorum could make ridiculous and false claims about himself or experience. This one would be based on his claim that he's good at winning tough elections against Dems, and his claim tonight at the outset that he has executive experience (without saying where from :lol: ).

SNL-Paul.. take your pick.

SNL-Pawlenty could just be excessively timid and not make eye contact or anything.

SNL-Gingrich could be angry and just viciously assault all of the moderator's points/premises.

SNL-John King would talk really fast and use lots of interruption grunts for no apparent reason (no change there).

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Watching Gibbs defending Obama with little scrutiny (or grunting :wink: ) reminds me why I don't watch CNN much. :barf

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I have found that acting like the grumpy old men in the balcony on The Muppet Show is the best way to watch a debate without Huck.

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I have found that acting like the grumpy old men in the balcony on The Muppet Show is the best way to watch a debate without Huck.


Love it!

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I have found that acting like the grumpy old men in the balcony on The Muppet Show is the best way to watch a debate without Huck.


:balling

Well you did better than me. Without huck I have little to no interest anymore. NO ONE excites me.

Someone tell me who to vote for and let me know when its all over.


P.S. I still have my Huck2012 bumper sticker on my truck and still praying against odds God will change His mind about Huck and the presidency.



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