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Who will benefit most from the 2-man debate?
Poll ended at Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:48 pm
Newt Gingrich. 58%  58%  [ 11 ]
Herman Cain. 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Willard Mitt Romney. 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
We, the voters. 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Debates are dumb. 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:48 pm 
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Who will be watching? From what I gather, CSPAN will be broadcasting it at 8p.m. EST.


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It's kind of puzzling why Cain agreed to this.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:50 pm 
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Actually, I take that back. I guess he knows Newt's MO (being complimentary and positive all the time) isn't going to directly hurt him.

But I think Newt has acquired some generosity-capital at this point, and he should spend some of it tonight by directly critiquing (but politely) Cain's lack of experience and knowledge. Someone's gotta do it. It's overdue.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:51 pm 
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I wish they could have planned it earlier. The Bama/LSU game starts at 8 also, so I will miss the whole debate. I hope someone will post highlights of the debate.

My guess is: Newt wins debate
Bama wins the game

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FL4Huck wrote:
I wish they could have planned it earlier. The Bama/LSU game starts at 8 also, so I will miss the whole debate. I hope someone will post highlights of the debate.

My guess is: Newt wins debate
Bama wins the game


I know, I have the same dilemma. Agreed on the predictions.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:02 pm 
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Sorry, but I am watching football tonight. Flipping between a lot of great games. But definitely tuned into LSU vs Alabama.

Would like to see highlights from the Gingrich/Cain debate though.

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FL4Huck wrote:
My guess is: Newt wins debate
Bama wins the game
1 out of 2 ain't bad :wink:

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In what sense is this a Lincoln/Douglas style debate? Let me answer that: in no sense at all. False advertising!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:40 pm 
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No, not much of a debate from the little I've been able to see, but I think I like it. They are actually discussing the problems and what they consider possible solutions. It's really almost just a conversation and it's way more enlightening than any debate I've ever seen.


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Kudos to Cain for a very witty finish...



C-SPAN said they will be re-airing it at 10:30pm ET
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/


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Didn't watch the whole thing. Cain was stumped by some of the questions and, consequently he had to ask Gingrich to go first so he could figure out what was being asked.

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The times are winter, watch, a world undone:
They waste, they wither worse; they as they run
Or bring more or more blazon man’s distress.
And I not help. Nor word now of success:
All is from wreck, here, there, to rescue one—
Work which to see scarce so much as begun
Makes welcome death, does dear forgetfulness.
Or what is else? There is your world within.
There rid the dragons, root out there the sin.
Your will is law in that small commonweal…
G.M. Hopkins.


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Yep, I saw at least one of those moments & another time when he came back to re-answer something from earlier. Cain had some positive moments & sounded more substantive than I have ever heard him before, but Gingrich is still miles ahead of him.

And they accomplished this not only without one word of ugliness to each other, but even speaking positively about each other, even when they were not in agreement, like two old friends would discuss politics relaxing in the living room or something - amazing...


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The losers of the debate were Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. Cain and Gingrich just showed the country what a real debate looks like between adults. A debate between two Republicans who both want to defeat Obama and not each other.

I thought Gingrich was the clear winner, but Cain still had a net positive because he finally got to talk about something other than the sexual harassment allegations. I didn't like how Cain was stumped a couple of times and had to ask Gingrich to answer first. Cain is good at outlining his "approach" to solving the problems, but that is only a starting point. You need specific ideas backed up with facts and Newt is a mile ahead of him in that department



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Since Ohio State defeated Indiana this afternoon, I was free to watch the debate, conversation, whatever you want to call it.

I thought it was excellent. There's no doubt that Newt Gingrich is very intelligent...and he sounded great tonight, but so (in my humble opinion) did Herman Cain.

I am encouraged that at least two (and, I'm sure many of the others) came to the table with what I felt was a very clear, honest vision of the problems facing our great nation--and they both offered sensible, thoughtful solutions.

I have lamented for a long time the fact that we have to first send our dollars to the Federal Treasury, then apply , beg, whatever to get some of the dollars back into our own state. Then, when the dollars do come back there are all kind of mandates from the federal level attached to them. I say, let the states keep more of the tax revenues and let the states deal with the problems unique to their state. Does that make me a states right advocate? Well, maybe. : )

I would love to see the other candidates pair up and discuss the same three topics that were discussed tonight, using the same, informal format.

I think we, the people, were the clear winners tonight.


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I guess I had a different take than most. I thought it was a nice townhall event and I appreciated the civility. However, it was billed as a Lincoln-Douglas debate and it was not that. Instead it came across as a mutual admiration society.

Not that I want fireworks just for the sake of a show, but I would want to more clearly see the differences between the candidates. The obvious difference was how much more Gingrich knows than Cain, but that was no surprise. Otherwise, there was little else to distinguish the two.

I think better pairings would be Cain vs Santorum, Perry vs Romney, Bachmann vs Huntsman, and Gingrich vs Paul (that would be a hoot IMO).

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Geaux Tigers!!!! :D


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