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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:11 am 
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Miserere wrote:
Even if Romney wasn't serious, he'd still sign pro-life bills for fear of right-wing backlash, so it's almost irrelevant whether he's sincere or not.

Thought it was a bit rude for Newt to go out there and start his speech while Santorum was still speaking.


Why would he worry about a backlash for not signing some piece of conservative legislation when he apparently isn't getting much of a backlash now from enough primary voters for his lengthy record of flip flops and bad legislation? I could very well see him conjure up some reason why he just can't sign a piece of pro-life legislation, and when he runs for re-election (assuming the nightmare of him becoming President :shock: ), the same establishment that has convinced so many primary voters that "only Mitt" can win in the general election will whip those same sheep back into the fold yet again.

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christopher.wilkerson wrote:
The mistake all the would-be not-Romneys are making is going negative on Romney. Everyone already knows his negatives, and nobody will be swayed by them at this point. He's not likely to make and Cain/Perry type gaffes.
The only way to overtake Romney now is for one candidate to sell themselves or shine the brighter light. Garden-variety Republican claptrap is not going to get the job done. Cain had 9-9-9 and made people take notice. Gingrich had his no-nonsense, curmudgeonly, champion of common sense stuff that worked for a while. These remaining guys are not astute enough to capture the media cycle and drag the people into their orbits. There need to be a game-changer.


Where they all made their mistake was in not going after Romney early in the campaign. It really wasn't until Perry got in that any of the candidates got into his space. The problem now is that they're attacking Mittens from behind in the polls, which makes them look desperate.

I just hope the voters of SC are a lot smarter than the one's in NH.

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Ughhh....my worst election nightmare may be coming to pass. Wake me up when this is over... :barf



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Miserere wrote:
Even if Romney wasn't serious, he'd still sign pro-life bills for fear of right-wing backlash, so it's almost irrelevant whether he's sincere or not.

Thought it was a bit rude for Newt to go out there and start his speech while Santorum was still speaking.


Why would he worry about a backlash for not signing some piece of conservative legislation when he apparently isn't getting much of a backlash now from enough primary voters for his lengthy record of flip flops and bad legislation? I could very well see him conjure up some reason why he just can't sign a piece of pro-life legislation, and when he runs for re-election (assuming the nightmare of him becoming President :shock: ), the same establishment that has convinced so many primary voters that "only Mitt" can win in the general election will whip those same sheep back into the fold yet again.


For one, because he's running as pro life. Everyone who's voting for him is voting for someone running as a pro life candidate. So there would be a backlash if he went back on that.

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christopher.wilkerson wrote:
Hey you guys, what if Ron Paul is the anti-Romney candidate we've been waiting for all along?

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Seriously though, what if he starts to move up in SC? And then continues to play the smart delegate game in the small caucuses?

On another note, how would you characterize Jon Huntsman's personality? I didn't think anyone could be cornier than Romney :) . But there's something about him I like...I can't put my finger on it.


My son who is almost 18 has now placed a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his truck, right next to the "Don't tread on me" and "Cut Spending Now" stickers.


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Huntsman is a good, smart man who has absolutely no charisma whatsoever. Zip. Zero.

It drives home a reality about politics in America. It's not just a matter of someone being smart, capable and experienced. You have to be able to sell yourself. Huntsman does not know how to sell himself politically. He keeps talking about the financial deficit and the trust deficit. He has a charisma deficit. At least he seems like a great dad and he has a bright future doing whatever he chooses to do after he bows out.

Ron Paul is in my opinion at the extreme opposite end of big government. In my opinion, although I don't like "big government," this is not a good thing. In Paul's world, the country seems as if it would be a lot closer to anarchy than a cohesive union. No, on the one hand, people would not be asked to fill out silly forms about livestock. But on the other hand, if a natural disaster wipes out a region of the country, don't expect Federal assistance of any type. If another country is harboring terrorists who want to take out the US, don't expect a Paul Administration to do much to stop them. If businesses decide they want to bring back explicit segregation, don't expect the government to stop it. It would be the extreme opposite of the nanny state - it's the "you're completely on your own" state. I think both extremes are bad - too much government and too little government. I believe that there is such a thing as pragmatic government - big enough to protect the people's Constitutional rights and to provide security but not bigger. Obviously, I'm not a Paul supporter either.

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Huntsman is a good, smart man who has absolutely no charisma whatsoever. Zip. Zero.

It drives home a reality about politics in America. It's not just a matter of someone being smart, capable and experienced. You have to be able to sell yourself. Huntsman does not know how to sell himself politically. He keeps talking about the financial deficit and the trust deficit. He has a charisma deficit. At least he seems like a great dad and he has a bright future doing whatever he chooses to do after he bows out.

Ron Paul is in my opinion at the extreme opposite end of big government. In my opinion, although I don't like "big government," this is not a good thing. In Paul's world, the country seems as if it would be a lot closer to anarchy than a cohesive union. No, on the one hand, people would not be asked to fill out silly forms about livestock. But on the other hand, if a natural disaster wipes out a region of the country, don't expect Federal assistance of any type. If another country is harboring terrorists who want to take out the US, don't expect a Paul Administration to do much to stop them. If businesses decide they want to bring back explicit segregation, don't expect the government to stop it. It would be the extreme opposite of the nanny state - it's the "you're completely on your own" state. I think both extremes are bad - too much government and too little government. I believe that there is such a thing as pragmatic government - big enough to protect the people's Constitutional rights and to provide security but not bigger. Obviously, I'm not a Paul supporter either.


I doubt Congress would agree to banish FEMA nor civil rights laws. Those are extreme examples you have mentioned that will never happen.


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Huntsman is a good, smart man who has absolutely no charisma whatsoever. Zip. Zero.

It drives home a reality about politics in America. It's not just a matter of someone being smart, capable and experienced. You have to be able to sell yourself. Huntsman does not know how to sell himself politically. He keeps talking about the financial deficit and the trust deficit. He has a charisma deficit. At least he seems like a great dad and he has a bright future doing whatever he chooses to do after he bows out.

Ron Paul is in my opinion at the extreme opposite end of big government. In my opinion, although I don't like "big government," this is not a good thing. In Paul's world, the country seems as if it would be a lot closer to anarchy than a cohesive union. No, on the one hand, people would not be asked to fill out silly forms about livestock. But on the other hand, if a natural disaster wipes out a region of the country, don't expect Federal assistance of any type. If another country is harboring terrorists who want to take out the US, don't expect a Paul Administration to do much to stop them. If businesses decide they want to bring back explicit segregation, don't expect the government to stop it. It would be the extreme opposite of the nanny state - it's the "you're completely on your own" state. I think both extremes are bad - too much government and too little government. I believe that there is such a thing as pragmatic government - big enough to protect the people's Constitutional rights and to provide security but not bigger. Obviously, I'm not a Paul supporter either.


I doubt Congress would agree to banish FEMA nor civil rights laws. Those are extreme examples you have mentioned that will never happen.


Well, I'm not so sure.

Although we have three branches of Government, the President has a lot of power. As I see it, President Paul could do the following all by himself:

1) When Congress decides to apporpriate funds to deal with a disaster that affects people throughout the mid-Atlantic region, President Paul can veto that legislation. Congress could override it with a two-thirds majority in both the House and the Senate, of course. But, with a significant portion of House members from regions that are unafffected by the crisis and Congress not able to agree on very much these days, it's possible the help will not come. Of course, the same principal could affect Civil Rights legislation - not because Paul is a bad guy but because he believes that the Federal Government should have almost no responsibility or power at all.

2) President Paul, as Commander-In-Chief, can essentially do as he pleases with the U.S. Armed Forces. So, as North Korea is flexing its muscles and threatening to launch a ballistic missile against Seattle, President Paul can decide to withdraw all U.S. troops from South Korea - he thinks we shouldn't have been there in the first place - as well as from our bomber bases in the Indian Ocean. Without much need to consult Congress, he can reconfigure the U.S. military so that we have little presence in the Eastern hemisphere - the place where most of the people who want to kill us live and are perfecting their plans and capabilities. In President Paul's sincere but misguided calculation, if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone. Which, of course, is the same thought process that Brittish Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain entertained not long before Hitler started bombing London.

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PPP just did a poll in NC and here is their take on their polling who would be strongest against Romney:

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The North Carolina numbers are really indicative of the fact that Romney probably can't be stopped unless some more of the candidates drop out. If they had to choose just between Romney and Santorum, Santorum wins 51-33. That's because Gingrich voters prefer Santorum 67-27 and Perry voters do by a 59-35 margin. If Gingrich and Perry left the race Santorum would really get some momentum in states like North and South Carolina. But as long as they're splitting the anti-Romney vote three ways it puts Romney in a very good position to just keep on winning.

No one else does as well as Santorum in a head to head against Romney. Gingrich leads him only 43-42, and Perry trails Romney by a 52-35 spread. If I had to guess the most likely scenario by the time North Carolina comes around is that it will be just Romney and Paul in the race, and Romney takes that one 67-21.

Romney could be stopped- but not while the field is this crowded."


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Miserere wrote:
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Miserere wrote:
Even if Romney wasn't serious, he'd still sign pro-life bills for fear of right-wing backlash, so it's almost irrelevant whether he's sincere or not.

Thought it was a bit rude for Newt to go out there and start his speech while Santorum was still speaking.


Why would he worry about a backlash for not signing some piece of conservative legislation when he apparently isn't getting much of a backlash now from enough primary voters for his lengthy record of flip flops and bad legislation? I could very well see him conjure up some reason why he just can't sign a piece of pro-life legislation, and when he runs for re-election (assuming the nightmare of him becoming President :shock: ), the same establishment that has convinced so many primary voters that "only Mitt" can win in the general election will whip those same sheep back into the fold yet again.


For one, because he's running as pro life. Everyone who's voting for him is voting for someone running as a pro life candidate. So there would be a backlash if he went back on that.


Remember "Read my lips, no new taxes!"? Elites like Mittens and GHWB just use whatever rhetoric they need to in order to cobble together enough votes to win. As the cover of the American Conservative magazine depicted a few years ago of a family with their pro-life signs standing outside the Whitehouse and a sign on the gate saying "see you in four years", that's pretty much how the establishment views social conservative voters.

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Gingrich has 7x the money of Santorum and will beat him in S Carolina. Assuming Romney wins S Carolina, I see only one possible outcome: Perry and Santorum both endorsing Gingrich before Florida (with Santorum probably being offered the VP slot). To do otherwise is simply suicide for conservatives. Then it truly will be game on!

Santorum is polling in second place in S. C. behind Romney. I think he can win S. C. The backlash of Perry/Gingrich attack on Romney as a capitalist is having its negative effect on those two, especially Gingrich.

It is so obvious that FOX is in bed with Romney. It ticks me off when they flippantly accuse Perry, Gingrich and Santorum of attacking Mitt on Bain capitalism when Santorum denied that he would get involved in that kind of attack and so far hasn't. It has only been Newt and Perry. Very misleading of FOX and they are largely responsible for the crowning of Romney as the presumed nominee. And the sheeple believe it.



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Gingrich has 7x the money of Santorum and will beat him in S Carolina. Assuming Romney wins S Carolina, I see only one possible outcome: Perry and Santorum both endorsing Gingrich before Florida (with Santorum probably being offered the VP slot). To do otherwise is simply suicide for conservatives. Then it truly will be game on!

Santorum is polling in second place in S. C. behind Romney. I think he can win S. C. The backlash of Perry/Gingrich attack on Romney as a capitalist is having its negative effect on those two, especially Gingrich.

It is so obvious that FOX is in bed with Romney. It ticks me off when they flippantly accuse Perry, Gingrich and Santorum of attacking Mitt on Bain capitalism when Santorum denied that he would get involved in that kind of attack and so far hasn't. It has only been Newt and Perry. Very misleading of FOX and they are largely responsible for the crowning of Romney as the presumed nominee. And the sheeple believe it.


Again, anyone who trusts the Romney News Network (also known as the RINO News Network) is just asking to be confused.

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Again, anyone who trusts the Romney News Network (also known as the RINO News Network) is just asking to be confused.
you are right. I forgot how they did Huckabee last time around. :oops:


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