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Another angle on this issue from self pay plans:
http://www.guidestone.org/NewsRoom/News ... 7A.twitter

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Response to President Obama’s Statement on February 10, 2012

GuideStone Financial Resources of the Southern Baptist Convention, one of the largest church plans in the nation, was distressed to hear that the President’s comments do not take into account the needs of many of the oldest and largest church plans in the nation. GuideStone’s medical plan, like that of many other established church plans, is self-funded, which means it pays benefits directly instead of using a third-party insurance company as the source of benefit payments. This self-funded approach to healthcare coverage, which is common among many historic and large church plans, was completely ignored by the President in his comments.

The comments today appear to reflect a narrow and inadequate approach that does not address the issues at hand for Southern Baptists who oppose so-called contraceptives that can and do cause an abortion. Even more troubling is that the broader issue of religious freedom was only given lip service but no serious consideration in the President’s remarks.

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Catholic and pro-life leaders slam White House ‘compromise’ on birth control mandate:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/white- ... but-insura

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We're losing Free America.

In free America, we let the Southern Baptists be Southern Baptists, let the Catholics be Catholics, let the Hassidic Jews be Hassidic Jews, and we let the federal govt be limited to its powers in Article I Section 8, and we let those powers be shackled by the Bill of Rights, and we let the Bill of Rights be the Bill of Rights!

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This assault on religious freedom has me concerned more than just about anything else Obama has done. And I've been concerned about A LOT of what he's done!



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The whole debate is just upsetting. Frankly, what right does the govt have to tell a private employer what kind of insurance he or she has to provide? Even under a generous religious exemption a Catholic business owner will be forced to cover abortifacients for his employees. What about his rights of conscience? No one cares because he's running a for-profit enterprise.

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juditupp wrote:
The whole debate is just upsetting. Frankly, what right does the govt have to tell a private employer what kind of insurance he or she has to provide? Even under a generous religious exemption a Catholic business owner will be forced to cover abortifacients for his employees. What about his rights of conscience? No one cares because he's running a for-profit enterprise.



Good point. WSJ had great opinion piece about that here
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 55906.html

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Bummer, I can't read the whole article! I get the idea though and it's been pointed out in a lot of conservative circles. The problem with health insurance that covers routine preventative care and the costs that has added to health care over all.

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I think Obama is totally wrong on this and the pressure should be kept up. However, this is another argument for why employers should not provide health insurance at all. If they didn't then this would not be an issue at all. It also highlights why the government should not be involved in health insurance either.

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Here's Prof Snead on Obama's so called compromise, and makes a particularly good point in final paragraph:
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President Obama’s proposed adjustments to the new Health & Human Services rule requiring Catholic institutions, including the University of Notre Dame, to provide health care plans covering contraception, sterilization and abortifacient drugs continue to violate religious liberty, according to O. Carter Snead, professor of law at the University of Notre Dame.

Today’s ‘compromise accommodation’ is nothing of the sort. 
The original uproar across the ideological spectrum was in reaction to the administration’s requirement that virtually all religious employers cover abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives, and sterilization in violation of their strongly held beliefs. 
Today’s rule still requires religious institutions (on pain of ruinous treasury fines) to purchase insurance that covers these same objectionable services.  It is irrelevant that the rule requires the insurance company (rather than the religious institution) to explain to employees that the policy purchased for them by their employer includes the 5-day after pill. For institutions that self-insure, the situation is even worse; they will be forced to contact their employees and pay for such services themselves.
It is no answer to suggest that the religious liberty of such employers is being accommodated because they are not “paying” for the objectionable services.  First, it is naïve to imagine that the services are truly cost-free and that these costs will not be passed along to the employers who purchase these plans.   More importantly, the simple fact is that under this policy the government is coercing religious institutions to purchase a product that includes services that they regard as gravely immoral. 
We should ask ourselves why President Obama has sustained the narrow exemption for churches, religious orders, and auxiliaries? This is tantamount to the admission that this policy, just like the previous one, runs afoul of religious liberty.

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