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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:42 pm 
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Can't believe nobody started a thread on this yet. Maybe everyone's too depressed? Erick Ericson offered a silver lining on the radio today, saying that since the mandate has been ruled a tax, the act can be repealed in the Senate with a simple majority. I am looking for confirmation on that from someone with a bit more authority. Ericson also mentioned that Justice Roberts opened the door for states to begin taxing abortion--in effect curtailing the practice. Roberts may be a bum today, but he also may have given us some hidden gifts that the left doesn't even realize yet.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:56 pm 
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I need to become much more educated about the law. I've never taken the time to read the thing. I certainly don't agree with the idea of a mandate and don't think that the Government can force people to buy something even if the penalty is the assertion of a new tax instead of another civil penalty. I do respect Justice Roberts, though, and have always liked him.

I have very little idea of how this is going to affect my life. Obviously, the markets were taken by surprise and took a minor beating in the aftermath of the ruling.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:07 pm 
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I'm not exactly sure what it means but Dave Kopel from the Indepence Institute seems to be pleased with at least one portion of the ruling. http://www.joncaldara.com/2012/06/28/dave-kopel-responds-to-obamacare-decision/ I'm just so frustrated because this bill is actually going to make health care (not coverage but actual care) even more out of reach for my family. We'll qualify for the subsidized coverage but it is likely to be sub-standard care. I'm also worried about how this will effect alternative health care providers. Will the extra costs and requirements of this bill make it harder for people to pay for alternatives? I don't think anyone really knows for sure. My husband is a massage therapist who works with a chiropractor and has plans to study acupuncture. They're messing with our future here.

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Mandatory reading for anyone looking for silver linings:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... n-roberts/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wha ... 47932.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ingle.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I think it's at least possible that Chief Justice Roberts intentionally forfeited the legal battle over Obamacare (while allowing the political battle to continue) in order to lay the groundwork to win the larger war to preserve the constitutional limits of congressional power. Of course, that could just be partisan spin or wishful thinking, but it could also be justifiable reading between the lines. Only time will tell. For now, the dust will continue to settle. I'm not ready to throw him under the bus just yet, though. There's almost certainly more to this than meets the eye.

For now, though, on to November!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:21 pm 
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Mandatory reading for anyone looking for silver linings:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... n-roberts/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wha ... 47932.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ingle.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I think it's at least possible that Chief Justice Roberts intentionally forfeited the legal battle over Obamacare (while allowing the political battle to continue) in order to lay the groundwork to win the larger war to preserve the constitutional limits of congressional power. Of course, that could just be partisan spin or wishful thinking, but it could also be justifiable reading between the lines. Only time will tell. For now, the dust will continue to settle. I'm not ready to throw him under the bus just yet, though. There's almost certainly more to this than meets the eye.

For now, though, on to November!

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It’s as if an umpire tweaked the rules to favor his team in the future, but obscured the changes by calling a particular contest for the other side. ”John Roberts is playing at a different game than the rest of us,” wrote Red State’s Erick Erickson. “We’re on poker. He’s on chess.”

By voting with the liberals to uphold the Affordable Care Act, Roberts has put himself above partisan reproach. No one can accuse Roberts of ruling as a movement conservative. He’s made himself bulletproof against insinuations that he’s animated by party allegiances.

But by voting with the conservatives on every major legal question before the court, he nevertheless furthered the major conservative projects before the court — namely, imposing limits on federal power. And by securing his own reputation for impartiality, he made his own advocacy in those areas much more effective. If, in the future, Roberts leads the court in cases that more radically constrain the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce, today’s decision will help insulate him from criticism. And he did it while rendering a decision that Democrats are applauding.

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Obama wins on policy, this time. And Roberts rewrites Congress' power to regulate, opening the door for countless future challenges. In the long term, supporters of curtailing the federal government should be glad to have made that trade.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:28 am 
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There are no more good arguments left for not voting for Romney.

If you do not vote for Romney, you are voting for Obamacare.

That's it. There is no argument left for you.

I no longer care that he is inconsistent. I could care less that he is a Mormon.
I only care that he will repeal Obamacare.

There is nothing left to do but get out the vote and kick every liberal possible out of the office. The House is not enough; The Senate is not enough; The Presidency is not enough. We must win all three.

PRAY AND VOTE!!!

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Here's a link for those that might want to try reading the court opinions:
http://www2.bloomberglaw.com/public/document/Natl_Federation_of_Independent_Business_v_Sebelius_No_11393_US_Ju

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With Romney's track record for not doing what he says, changing his mind mid-stream, what makes you think he will actually do what he says he will if elected?



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:47 pm 
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nrobyar wrote:
With Romney's track record for not doing what he says, changing his mind mid-stream, what makes you think he will actually do what he says he will if elected?


Exactly. With great respect to everybody who is on the Romney bus, it really amazes me that the guy who, in effect, invented ObamaCare, is vowing to repeal it - on "Day One" no less, and people are taking him at his word. (Speaking of "Day One," Romney has promised to do more on that day than the Lord did on the real Day One in Genesis Chapter 1).

Romney has shown, more than any politician I have ever seen in my lifetime, the ability and willingness to say almost anything to get elected. He'll promise to revoke ObamaCare even though it's extremely similar to the plan that he created that he still supports. And to those of us who are disappointed in the current direction of the country and are scared at the lack of fiscal discipline of the current Administration, we really want to believe it when someone says what we want them to say. But it may or may not be sincere.

I just don't understand how Romney's attacks on Obamacare can be taken seriously when he created its forerunner. And I really don't understand the claim that Romneycare was different because it was done at the state level. So, with that logic, is it perfectly okay for a Governor to force his constituents to buy a product that they may not want to and to tax them if they don't but very different when a President does that? I see both cases as being equally bad. I'd have more respect for Romney if he either attacked his own health care plan along with the President, defended them both, or just moved on to other topics of discussion. I think he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

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Here's how I think: Romney may or may not repeal Obamacare. But how likely is it that Romney will repeal obamacare, compared to how likely is it that Obama will do so? He is our only hope. If the House defunds Obamacare, does anyone seriously think Romney will veto it? Oh, and the House WILL defund Obamacare as long as the Republicans keep their majority, and I'm pretty sure they will.



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nrobyar wrote:
With Romney's track record for not doing what he says, changing his mind mid-stream, what makes you think he will actually do what he says he will if elected?


http://youtu.be/JKN1RC2j92w

http://youtu.be/y6DrH6P9OC0

Our two candidates for the Presidential Election are way too much alike on a variety of issues, including this one. Marack ORomney. They should be pairing up on a ticket instead of running against each other.

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